I agree with Sarah, they picked him up off of the street randomly, and he wasn't the only one picked up off the street.
i dont think that the people who arrested marcus knew who he was and what knowldedge he with held. I think they just saw him and targeted him.
I think that the people who abducted Marcus could not of know about his computer skills and privacies. They also said they picked him up because he was in "the wrong place at the wrong time".
I think that if they did know about Marcus's skills they would have reacted earlier. . they didn't really have a reason for letting him continue to change things.
I don;t think they did know about his technology skills because they acused and arrested him after they found the technology in his possession.
No, I agree with Sarah they would have no reason to previously track him and he was extremely stealthy and no one could've hacked into what he was doing. They just picked him up because this was a major disaster and tragedy and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I don't think that they knew he had awesome computer skills before they picked him up, but after they had him in there they realized his power with technology.
I think the people who arrested him may have known something about him before hand because of the extreme high level of surveillance.
I agree with Sandra because the way that he blocked all of his servers and protected them with firewalls they could not have known exactly what he was doing. I think the main reason they suspected him of terrorism was because he and his friends were the only people outside of the subway.
Derek: but Marcus figured out how to mess up all the security measures. . . how else would he have been able to continue ditching school?
The DHS was definitely paranoid.
I think that they just picked him up ramdomly, although they may have known about him earlier.
I don;t think they should have interrogated him so harshly because the DHS had the right to question him, but no so brutally. They should not have done what they did to him. He was an American born citizen and should not be accused of terrorism.
I agree with the inner circle that they didn't capture him because Marcus had good computer skills. They just wanted to arrest anyone that was near the scene of the attack. I'm not exactly sure, but I think that they would have stopped whether Marcus had signaled or not. I don't think that they knew about his skill. They just thought it was suspicious that Marcus was not willing to unlock his cell phone.
How is our society like the book when it comes to paranoia? What happened to individuals after 9/11? Were come people considered "suspicious" because of location? Race? Gender? Why? Where?
I think that the DHS did have the right to intarigate them. I think this necause in time of war, countries have a reason to go into drastic measure, but the punishment given to Marcus was severe, and THE DISCUSSERS, the DHS only had to have a warrent if he was arrested and the police did not arrest him, the military abducted him.
I agree with Derek, why else would somebody just randomly get arrested on the streets?
@Moritz- I believe many people were racially profiled after 9/11. If anyone was of Middle Eastern descent, then they were automatically targeted.
Yes, I think that they were justified because anybody could have been a threat at that time. They brought attention to themselves and that's what sparked the DHS's curiosity. They had a right to be paranoid because terrorist attacks are a big deal and threat. The way they were treated was not justified. They should never be treated that way even if they were terrorists.
The police were justified in interogating them. After a terrorist attack, no suspect can be ruled out for the safety of everyone else. However, they maybe shouldn't have been interogated as severely as they were.
Non-caucasion people were profiled after 9/11, but in Little Brother, they targetted anyone who wasn't afraid by the explosion. Along with that the kids were ditching.
I agree with Eric that after a terrorist attack, is the government's biggest problem at the moment really why some high schoolers aren't in school? You would think that instead of accusing random teenagers, they should be focusing more on the attack, unless they thought that Marcus attacked.
There is a lot of paranoia in our current society as well as in ther book. In airports, people are singled out because of race and nationality. Also, random things like going out of the securit line to go to the restroom. this thins especially started happening after 9/11.
Aaron: Well put, they should not have questioned him in that way. It's possible that when they found Marcus's suspicious technology, they jumped to conclusions and kept interrogating him to make it seem like they were accomplishing things.
@Mrs. Moritz:In comparison to paranoia, our society in some ways is as paranoid, and some ways not. We're not as paranoid because, as far as I know, we don't have cameras in our classrooms.We are paranoid though, because going through security at the airport people of a certain race get pulled out of line and have to go into "special security."
The DHS was paranoid but with good reason, this is like the discussion we had with Mr. Meyers about Americans prefering safety to rights.
Why would they bother getting his information in the first place? why did they make such a big deal about all his passwords and stuff?
I think that the government had the right to question them, but the should not have treated Marcus like they did. Marcus also made it worse for himself by acting like he had something to hide. If he had not done this, I think that he would have been treated with more respect. Still, he shouldn't have been treated to the extreme like he was.
Do you think that they truly believe that they have the terrorist that did the attack?
@ Mrs. Moritz, People were very suspicous to middle easterns, some people could not even go on the same plane as them, wich is really terrible. Although, it is very messed up to do that, I, myself was like that too. However, i was a little kid.
mrs. moritz: I think that our society is very paranoid, even though we try to hide it. After 9/11, so many were even more paranoid than before. Many were discriminated because of their race and gender. Everyone was so terrified about the attack, that we were willing to blame anyone just to make yourself feel safe.
When Marcus was being interogated, it was a similar situation to when Marcus was called to the vice principal's office at school. They suspect wrongdoing, but they can't prove it. They are just trying to scare information out of him.
After 9/11 millions of people were racially profiled and they still are today, it doesnt matter if they are black, white, blue, purple, middle eastern or polish. When marcus and his buddies were abducted i think that race was a big targeting factor. Just like things are today, i didnt matter what race they were, but the fact that they looked different in general was "suspicious".
@ Suzy: Well Marcus isn't exactly dumb, they must have realized that they weren't dealing with a normal kid. It seems that if the DHS has reason to suspect any threat whatsoever, then they want to do anything it takes to quell it.
@ Derek: I think that by getting his passwords and all his information, that is the evidence that they are trying to use to prove it. They might just be trying to scare him into a confession, but they might also be trying to find something in his computer
What races are Marcus, Darryl, and Van?
@Suzy: I think that the reason that they wanted to get his information because they wanted to examine what he was carrying at the time of the attack and technology carries a lot of information. I think that it was probably good that they wanted to question them but they should have done it in a calmer way.
Does anyone think that Daryl is still alive, or is he dead?
How would stabbing Derryl get him off the bridge?
I think that because there was so much chaos, people where taking advamtage of the situation and being bad and decided to stab other individuals and would not be caught.
Ever since the terrorist attack, many middle eastern people get stopped in the airport like Mr. Meyer said in his discussion that one of his friends had the same name as a big terrorist and automatically gets checked every time he goes trough the airport.
@Derek-I think Marcus and Darryl are white. I think Van is Korean???
@ Derek: Van is Korean, I;m pretty sure that Darryl and Marcus are caucasian.
Gabby i think that Daryl is dead, cause they picked up the kids, and havent really talked about him in a while.
I think that Darryl is still alive and is in the same jail that Marcus was at. He is probably in a medical wing of the prison but still detained.
I think that they are keeping Darryl longer because he just got stabbed so they are trying to help him before they release him
i think he is alive, Daryl out of the whole group is the one that is most often to talk, or give in like when Marcus got him to go to the teachers lounge. So maybe he gave in sooner than the other three and was already free days before the rest of the group.
I think Darryl is still alive because if they wanted information from the kids then they would of kept them all alive.
i am confused as to why darell was blushing when van asked him " hows your every little thing"
Just because Derryl doesn't want to get expelled, doesn't mean he's a good kid. Maybe he knew that the attack would happen and thats why he didn't want to go. Maybe Darryl isn't released yet because he was a part of the attack
I think that Darryl is just being kept to heal because he got stabbed. If you get stabbed then you're going to need time to heal.
i think he means that even though at school he could get around all of the security, he is lonley.
Kelly: but don't they have hospitals for that? Why would they keep him in prison for that reason alone?
I agree with Kyle. Technology is his life, and because they took it away from him, he isnt the same person. He described his situation as being out of his own skin.
The cell phone is his lifeline. It has all of his info and passwords, and it gives him power over the system.
I think that this compares to his privacy being his whole and that was taken away from him. He feels bare and like he has nothing private anymore. He compared it to going to the bathroom, buck naked, in front of everyone in Time Square for all to see. His deepest secrets have been revealed and now his soul has nothing to keep.
I dont think he wanted to tell his parents, because he did not want to get into trouble, and i wouldnt want to tell my parents. Then they could be suspicious.
Joy: maybe they couldnt get him to a hospital without risking his health
I agree with Taylor because his parents could be extremely hostile with the DHS and that could cause even bigger problems with suspicions.
Joy: he could be in a hospital part of the jail thing, they still could heal him and interrogate him at the same time. Also he's a suspect, so if he's in a hospital now, then they'll interrogate him later
I think that it could have gone either way. Darryl could have known about the attack and not wanted to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or he could have just not wanted to get expelled. The reason that he did not tell the parents is so that he can get revenge on the DHS without parents getting involved.
Arika: Darryl really likes Van, so when she pretty much talks to him he probably blushes
They didn't tell their parents becuase they felt it would only escalade the issue. Also I think that interrogaters made it clear that he couldn't let anybody know about what happened to them during the five days.
Aaron: technology is only life because we choose for it to be life, it's like an addiction, and with technology bring flaws in every person.
I think when you feel threatened, that when you panic and don't care aboout others. It comes down to that situation whne its your life, against theirs, and most likely you want to live.
Joy: He could be in a hospital part of the jail.Maybe they were treating Darryl better than Marcus because he could have been part of the attack.Maybe Darryl was in mortal danger because he just got stabbed.
I think it depends (How much would you be willing to sacrifice to save another--discussion in the center)on your personal beliefs and how much your willing to sacrifice for another person.
Suzy: Think about the way they treated marcus, he wasn't really in the lap of luxury while in prison, do you really think that they would care about Darryl's health unless he was in mortal danger? they must have another reason for keeping him.
How do you think think this relates to 1984?
It seems like Marcus is very passionate about his technology. Do you think that that is true with all of the people or just Marcus because he is a computer hacker? What do you think the main difference between the dependence of technology in Fahrenheit 451 and in Little Brother?
I think it depends on how much danger you're putting yourself in. If you are in a lot of danger you would rather save yourself but if there is more danger to another person you would rather save them.
I agree with Moritz. Your beliefs play into it a lot and where you are in your own walk of life.
As Kyle said and as we have discussed, human nature is selfishness and to save yourself. However, there will always be the few unselfish people that are willing to risk themselves to save others. Just look at military and armed forces. People risk themselves for the good of their country.
I think any adult would risk their life for a child
Honestly people say that they would help the other person, even if it means they are going to get hurt and possibly killed. But, in my opinion, no one really knows what they would do until the time comes.
Katie: I think that everyone is passionate about their tech on some level. Kids these days are pretty connected to their cell phones and computers. Marcus cares about his tech because it give him power over the system in place.
It doesn't matter, I think parents and mothers would always want to save a child.
i definatly agree with gabby. its one thing to say something than to do something and be there personally.
I agree with Gabby. You dont know what you are going to do when you are in the situation. You can plan and tell yourself you know, but you don't.
I think that if somebody was on drugs or alcohol,they would be very selfish becuase that was what their lifestyle was like. They probably would only be concerned about getting more drugs or alcohol.
I think that a lot of people would sacrifice their lives for other people. I think that most people would have a hard time watching anyone in horrible danger and would want to help.
Like Adam talked about, there may have been another massive terrorist attack that led to all of this advanced surveillance.
I agree with Taylor, planning for the unexpected is the best way to go. With all the new systems they are one step ahead of the bad guys. I also agree with Kyle that if a terrorist has a motive and wants to get something done, they will, there is always a way around it.
well even today, around the BART stations and on the trains, there are cops with dogs, so i think there is already a level of added security. But the question is why there is soo much in this book.
I think that the level of trust between citizens and the govt was destroyed and that caused all of the security measures. If the people with power dont trust the people they're leading, then they will want to make sure that the people aren't rebelling
I agree with Alexa. It goes along with Mr. Meyers conversation on Friday. There will lways be that one person who is one step of another. in this situation it is a terrorist ahead of the government.
I dont think that people would sacrifice themselves for anyone else because times have changed, people these days are a lot more selfish than they used to be, so they would only be concerned about themselves
Apparently the security is one or many steps behind the terrorists. If Marcus can hack all of this technology, there have to be alot more people out there like him who can get around the security.
i dont think the gate monitonr makes them feal safer, but i think it gives the faculty peice of mind that they think they know every one that goes in and out.
I think that even with the highest level, the most advanced technology, there is always going to be a way around it. Machines fail, they aren't perfect.
I think that it would be safer if the gates were locked, but it would also be really hard to function. Aaron also has a good point about preparing us for college and later. I think that in Marcus's case it just makes them feel safer but it isn't actually safer because the students can change their gate easily and it doesn't seem like an efficient system.
psychological manipulation and intimidation
In 1984 the government has the telescreens everywhere and can hear everything you say and send thought police to track you. And in Little Brother they have tools that can track all of the technological activities the students do.
This book shows how close our society is to that of Little Brother, and after that 1984. The more security and surveillance that the government has, the more control the government has and the closer it is to a totalitarian system of government.
I agree with Moritz, they intimidated Marcus into telling them intormation. They messed with his brain by giving him a little bit of freedom and then taking it all away at the slightest hint of his resistance
Katie: i think that it wouldn't be that hard to function with closed and locked doors. In middle school last year, the doors were closed but we survived and im pretty sure if we went back to that then it wouldn't be that hard
I think that 1984 and Little Brother are similar in the sense that there is a great fear that everything you do is being watched and monitored.
It said there was people that were older than Marcus in the truck with him, so it wasn't just kids, there were also young adults
High school is where you start to form all your beliefs. They are supervised to ensure that good morales are set. They want you to learn all your lessons in your teenage years so that as an adult you can be good and not a threat to the system.
I think that some people are really intimidated and that is how the vice principal gets most people in trouble by trying to intimidate the students. So the vice principal can use intimidation for manipulation.
High schoolers are most closely watched because they are at an age where they have the power and intelligence to commit crimes and they are at an immature age where they are most likely to commit crimes.
I think that they were the most closely watched because teenagers have a stereotype of being rebellious. The people in charge were teens once and they know what teenagers are capable of in a worse case scenario. They're paranoid
I wonder how the government got into Marcus's room and is that really right that they can break into people's rooms. Do you think that his parents knew anything about the government attaching the bug to his computer and how would the government keep that a secret? It's going back to comparing safety and rights.
Katie: the govt has near infinite power, they can do whatever they want
while reading the blog that everyone has posted, i found a few points that i thought were very interesting.IN the beginning Aaron talks about how the DHS didn't have the right to interrogate Marcus and his friends. I think that this is very true. They didn't have warrants or anything they just kidnapped the kids. Like Ben said, wrong place at the wrong time. But i also believe that if they did have all the proper papaers and such that they didn't need to be so harsh in the way they interrogated them. Yes, Marcus was being a tough nut and he was being very uncooperative but still that doesnt give them the right.Later, towards the middle of the blog the part about racial profiling came up. I do think that many people are racially profiled these days. Alex said that when she has gone places things have been done to her and her mother because they aren't caucasion. I think it is very wrong. Also i anyone of middle-eastern descent is racially profiled. After 9/11 many people got paranoied and that is why the security at airports and certain places are so crazy and over the top. I mean it is good that we have all this stuff but we have ALOT!The last thing i thought was important was when you guys started talking about how highschoolers/teenagers are profiled. We have talked about this in class but it is very true that when you walk into a store the first person to get looked at is a teenager. The reason this is, is because other not so good teenagers have given good teenagers bad reputations in general. People steal, this is not a perfect world, and sorry to say but it is usually people around the teenage years that are the ones doing it or caught.These were the main points i read about while reading this blog. I think that many good and relevant points to not only Little Brother but also 1984 were brought up.