tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post6472306061224772432..comments2023-10-22T08:21:59.429-07:00Comments on Moritz's 9th Honors Blog: 4th Hour Fahrenheit 451 137-end Liveblog/Fishbowlmmoritzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04499259284746906241noreply@blogger.comBlogger199125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-27865597183268961032010-09-30T04:37:43.653-07:002010-09-30T04:37:43.653-07:00liability insurance ny
liability insurance wa<a href="http://www.ny-liability-insurance.com/" rel="nofollow">liability insurance ny</a><br /><a href="http://www.wa-liability-insurance.com/" rel="nofollow">liability insurance wa</a>Thomas S. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18410825452810089445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-52208294480763078332009-11-22T18:15:06.423-07:002009-11-22T18:15:06.423-07:00Mrs. Moritz I didn't mention this in the last ...Mrs. Moritz I didn't mention this in the last post but this is the make up for the discussion and the one before was just for the blogging.<br /> I think that the mechanical hound doesn't represent fear so much as it does conformity. It only uses the fear it creates to keep people in check but as we saw in the last few chapters Montag manages to defeat it so the it somewhat generates more fear than it deserves. It's "more bark than bite". I think the government also uses this to take the blame for deaths off of the firemen. Instead of fearing the firemen, the general public attributes all of the bad side affects of the government's philosophy to the mechanical hound. I think that as Montag floats down the river and is thinking about the sun burning time, he is coming to the conclusion that the firemen need to stop burning books. He thinks this because he realizes how the sun burns away time, and time is the ultimate killer of people. Books are the only things that keep the memories and thoughts of people alive after the sun has "burnt them away" so if firemen continue to burn books, "everything burns" and no humans survive. Bradbury makes many Biblical referances in his book including Montag floating down the river like Moses did. As Moses floated away from his old life so did Montag. People were confused as to why Bradbury made so many Biblical references when he seemed unreligious. I think that Bradbury used Biblical references to get his point across, which was something extremely new at the time with the Bible, which many people were familiar with. I think the analogy of the phoenix can be applied to Montag but also to the entire society as a whole. As man makes mistakes he realizes them and destrays the old and rebuilds the right way. The phoenix also shows the circuitive nature of society like how history repeats itself. In response to your question of what ulimately caused Montag to change was ironically society itself. Before Montag had met Clarisse he ahd been collecting books. I think it was because of being around them all the time as a fireman and wondering what he was destroying. As Beatty seemed to hint at this happens to most of the firemen. At the end of the book I think that Montag is made the leader because he knows the most. No one in this new society knows what is right because they have next to nothing to go on, however; Montag knows the most about what they shouldn't do. Also near the end of the book is Mildred's death. I semi-expected that she would die because I thought that the old society would end. Mildred represented society as a model citizen. She cared more for her technology than about her himan relationships, especially with Montag and she even turned in her own husband simply because it was the law. When the city died so did Mildred. I agree with you on how the purpose of the mirror factory is to establish each person as an individual but it also goes to show how fragile their individuality is.Nate Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04228472865289784830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-60773244097095519272009-11-03T11:27:28.952-07:002009-11-03T11:27:28.952-07:00I think Montag and Faber guided eachother. Without...I think Montag and Faber guided eachother. Without eachother they couldn't find the way of that path. I think both of them would of taken different paths.brent hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07229293825317356312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-10042090647580346482009-11-03T11:27:28.017-07:002009-11-03T11:27:28.017-07:00@Casey
It might have taken longer for Montag to ta...@Casey<br />It might have taken longer for Montag to take action, but if it took longer it might have been too late. Faber was his guiding point, but not his only influence.Madeline W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09016245067446793444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-84720922476568329862009-11-03T11:26:58.898-07:002009-11-03T11:26:58.898-07:00I found it really interesting how Montag is now a ...I found it really interesting how Montag is now a name of a paper company and Faber is now a pencil company. This is symbolic of how Faber had helped "write" Montag's future.Brandon 4https://www.blogger.com/profile/16647112943234606699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-29972248359632811662009-11-03T11:26:45.486-07:002009-11-03T11:26:45.486-07:00He may have been able to see the world around him ...He may have been able to see the world around him turning. He may have seen his friends and family becoming engulfed in the small amount of technology they had. So he figured it would only get worse. It could only get more crazy from here. He knew it would take a long time, thats why he set it so far in the future. He saw the over take coming. And honestly, its already started. Maye he wrote the book as a warning, which we do not seem to be taking. Then books are cut out to "protect" us from warnings like these books.rileywhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06711669018522124509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-82531640327360021542009-11-03T11:26:36.839-07:002009-11-03T11:26:36.839-07:00the people raised outside the city--do you think t...the people raised outside the city--do you think that they are so tecnology-brainwashed??CourtneyDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140452384640643439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-41215918090143653782009-11-03T11:26:08.545-07:002009-11-03T11:26:08.545-07:00His religion may have changed since he was a child...His religion may have changed since he was a child, it could have turned into no religion at all, but he could still reference the Bible without having a religion.Victoria Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197393198239643010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-73050730161739409902009-11-03T11:25:36.912-07:002009-11-03T11:25:36.912-07:00@Emily K.
That is a very good point@Emily K.<br />That is a very good pointlizbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13973662707887119147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-84465376189926113762009-11-03T11:25:36.702-07:002009-11-03T11:25:36.702-07:00I look at Montag as too good of a person to go mad...I look at Montag as too good of a person to go mad with power. But i could be wrongMatt Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03801630484287665762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-67621748884765199432009-11-03T11:25:32.048-07:002009-11-03T11:25:32.048-07:00@sidney.
Dense the Menance. sounds like my cousio...@sidney.<br /><br />Dense the Menance. sounds like my cousion's neightbor. meanest old man neighbor around. but i still dont understand how they connect to the book...CourtneyDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140452384640643439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-58597036804674094072009-11-03T11:25:23.710-07:002009-11-03T11:25:23.710-07:00I think that before Montag met Clarisse felt bad a...I think that before Montag met Clarisse felt bad about challenging the system, but meeting her opened his eyes and showed him that other people are thinking the same things as him.EmilyMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00008884891918252964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-50258517541734100602009-11-03T11:25:06.629-07:002009-11-03T11:25:06.629-07:00@ Madeline:
I disagree with Faber guiding Montag. ...@ Madeline:<br />I disagree with Faber guiding Montag. I think that montag, would have found that path, it just would have taken longer for him to go down the path that he did.Casey Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03853072595990180499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-72598449614301630392009-11-03T11:25:05.666-07:002009-11-03T11:25:05.666-07:00Maybe Faber was the one that made Montag think abo...Maybe Faber was the one that made Montag think about challenging the system a little but Clarisse was the little push that sent him off the edge.Madeline W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09016245067446793444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-58800305835200210772009-11-03T11:24:00.331-07:002009-11-03T11:24:00.331-07:00On p. 190 Ray Bradbury says that he was raised in ...On p. 190 Ray Bradbury says that he was raised in a baptist church.Shaffer D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10389831897818249295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-64064865375479470412009-11-03T11:24:00.036-07:002009-11-03T11:24:00.036-07:00He can make references to the bible without being ...He can make references to the bible without being Christian i think he just quoted the bible to make it stand out Beatty reads book.nathan duceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15837360536377638431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-38916289424815981242009-11-03T11:23:43.001-07:002009-11-03T11:23:43.001-07:00@Christina and Nathan,
Clarisse was a little like ...@Christina and Nathan,<br />Clarisse was a little like the flame that started the fire, but Montag had already poured the kerosene and laid the groundwork.Emily K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01526854326750568812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-22785063368749675752009-11-03T11:23:23.901-07:002009-11-03T11:23:23.901-07:00I agree with Liz. I think Montag wasn't sure w...I agree with Liz. I think Montag wasn't sure what he believed in and Clarisse was the spark that set (inside of him) the views of the current society on fire leaving room for reading books and deeper thinking.Brandon 4https://www.blogger.com/profile/16647112943234606699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-11144595619751003972009-11-03T11:23:18.625-07:002009-11-03T11:23:18.625-07:00There is no way Ray Bradburry has a religion. He t...There is no way Ray Bradburry has a religion. He talks about topics that no one dicussed in the 50s.Aaron R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11761385720946816080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-82825926844879375742009-11-03T11:23:15.883-07:002009-11-03T11:23:15.883-07:00I definitly agree with Mollys. Montag obviously ha...I definitly agree with Mollys. Montag obviously had these thoughts before, he did steal books before. I don't believe that he would've done anything with them had Clarisse not made him think. He needed that extra little push before he was going to do anything.EmilyMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00008884891918252964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-44390397986400191062009-11-03T11:23:07.209-07:002009-11-03T11:23:07.209-07:00@mollys.
What do you think would have happened if ...@mollys.<br />What do you think would have happened if clarisse had never died? do you think he would have been droven to take the action he did take??CourtneyDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140452384640643439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-18869824198902155632009-11-03T11:23:05.799-07:002009-11-03T11:23:05.799-07:00@MMoritz
I do agree that every leader needs a back...@MMoritz<br />I do agree that every leader needs a backbone like Faber.malbynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12636189749827435645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-80823753846256439102009-11-03T11:22:49.770-07:002009-11-03T11:22:49.770-07:00Hadn't Montag already met Faber before he met ...Hadn't Montag already met Faber before he met Clarisse? Maybe it was Faber who got Montag to start taking the books.Victoria Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197393198239643010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-48183961505573668652009-11-03T11:22:43.052-07:002009-11-03T11:22:43.052-07:00I think that Emily K brings up a good point. Witho...I think that Emily K brings up a good point. Without the loss of Faber in his life, Montag might not have tried to follow what he was believing in.Madeline W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09016245067446793444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8354010924661943699.post-40593778592934561002009-11-03T11:22:21.331-07:002009-11-03T11:22:21.331-07:00@ Coutney:
I said that Faver would have died. Fabe...@ Coutney:<br />I said that Faver would have died. Faber was worthless after Montag's misktake.Casey Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03853072595990180499noreply@blogger.com